QUESTION?
DOES MEMORY GENES EXPLAIN DEJA VOU??
we all inherit characteristics from our ancestors...like the fact that i started dipping my bread crust in my tea as a very young child..the only person that ever did that was my mothers mum and she died before i was born infact she told my mum she was expecting twins on her death bed mum didn't know she was pregnant at that time...course i didn't inherit her better skills of playing the piano and piano accordion...just the crust dipping thingy..and its also scientifically proven that we pass on memory genes from as far back as possible...so you know when you get that strong feeling you have just lived that moment before or been to a new place but know it so well or even fear things for no reason...is this deja vou or is this a memory gene from a distant relative??..i get it all the time with places and people...sometimes you meet people and you instantly like them or instantly dont like them but your not sure why...as a child i would recount stories of being in victorian london...could this explain mediumship are we contacting the dead or maybe just tapping in to a memory bank..hmmm...and can you see yourself in the future because if time is irrelevant then the future is already happening..are we a past memory already??..hmmm..ponders a while...
posted by gypsy noir at 11/17/2006
67 Comments:
What?
... I swear I've been here before.
lol...dale..
i know its you..
This is a kind of familiar feeling
it's never been as strong as this before though... I know I've read about this beofre, and I'm sure I've been around the block once or twice...lol
deja ive seen you before im sure..
oh no! I've got a deja deux
I'm seeing double.....better go to bed...;-(
I'm more into deja trois...
get thee behind me you lurking deja vouest type thingys...val get to bed!..x..
deja..who?..lol..
I've got the feeling I've never been here before....but it's strangely familiar...
ive got a feeling..but i dont know what it is but ive had it before...dyslexic deja vou..ha ha..love it!!.. my doppleganger told me to do this..
i may look like her but the simularities end there, im far more superior than her!..
try seeing it from our point of view, years of dampness, we want to phone the breadline for compensation.
why oh why do i bother..i try and spark up an intelligent convo and what do i get?..what amounts to graffiti..wheres string/alecia and anne marie when i need them..oh yes anne maries off to get married..alecias skiving and string..well she went to the ball..i dont know..tut hah!..
oh yes vals gone to bed..dales lurking somewhere..and rache is now an abbatoir dweller..kens away to rio..alfies done a bunk..really!!!!
thats it! im away to my bed!...
I have a lot of strong 'memories' that tend to be of places and people I have never been to or met. I dreamed by current partner when I was 21 or so. I like the idea of deja vu being a memory gene, but I am not sure it is accurate (yet) - often when I have deja vu I feel I have dreamed the event ahead of time and am suddenly in it.
However, as far as past lives go - sometimes I do think this is genetic memory. I have had very strong 'visions' of past times, but ALL are times and people I would be related to genetically. I have actually felt that I have awoke in these realities...and have had physical proof appear of the place I visited...odd.
And yes, I was at the ball with some pixies.
ah at last an intelligent response..thankyou string..everything is open to question..nothing is ever proven except what we have experienced or learned..it strange about the feeling of being ahead of time as i have that too sometimes..its like oh so familiar feeling of knowing you been and done this before but not knowing whether it was past or future..YOU WENT TO THE BALL WITH PIXIES???..WHY WASN'T I INVITED?!?..
deja vu = already seen.
My already seen gene... LOL
It's a phenomenon that happens all too often to me.
There are people I have met and I could swear I know them.
One girl in town, for instance... I met Aina several years ago and I had this strong feeling that I knew her from somewhere, but it was not so - we have no previous connections (of which we are aware).
The other day I was talking with another girl friend, Sharon, whom I had not seen in years.
Sharon is very intuitive, as well.
We were reminiscing and she told me how much Aina really reminded her of me... that when she is talking to her, she often gets the feeling she is talking to me...
That is a wee bit spooky - yet not really surprising.
luking ?
ROFL
There are things that happen that do not make sense in time and space. I have done some experiments with changing current 'karma' by accessing and changing past - selves (probably ancestors) funny thing, it worked and not only that a 'gift' was left for me representing that time!
hmm dale the lurker thats very interesting that happened with me when i met my friend heather we just clicked straight off..been friends for 30 years now although we dont always speak often we are always there for each other should we need..
god string that sounds really interesting!..not heard of that before..
Dale the Lurker - her new title! I like that...she's a shape shifter! If you ever see a big bear in your dreams, or a cat, or vince noir...and yes it is interesting, I may have to pull out what I wrote about it some time, it is quite strange...and it freed me from a gilded cage!
This is all really interesting. Genetic memory seems to me to be something that would be more physical - tho who knows. We really know so little about how DNA works. In general, when I consider the idea of past lives, I think of it as being more metaphysical.
I believe that we live over and over again - until we get it right, so to speak. Maybe deja vu is a response from a past life memory - whether it is genetic (of an ancestor) or from a past life of a non-ancestor in the physical sense is another whole discussion in itself.
I've definitely experienced deja vu. The one time that stands out for me is when I was in New Orleans when I was 14 years old. I was on Bourbon St. and someone in my group asked me directions to a place in the Garden District where I had never been. I saw her later and she said my directions were perfect! Weird, I thought, but OK....
The next day I went there - it was a clothing shop. No big. I felt that the area was vaguely familiar but not that particular shop. When I turned to go, I saw a row of homes across the street and got a very strong feeling of familiarity - nothing specific, just stronger. I never found out any more, but it's stayed with me since.
I also seem to have a general inexplicable affinity with Tudor England and early/mid eighteenth dynasty Egypt.
String, you seem to have a unique ability to access parts of your mind/memory/psyche that most of us can't. I'd love to be able to go back and know my karma - more to better understand why I am the way that I am than to make changes, tho. Thank you for sharing!
Vince Noir is Dale?!?!?! Noooooooooooo
This is how I see it. Even smaller than the cell or atom are particles which retain memory of all that we are, have been, have known etc. unlike other atomic particles - these sub-particles create mass and respond to the higher intelligence of the heart... this is how our 'thoughts' create our 'reality'. This is also how we are drawn to the people and places that seem familiar or we have some connection/agreement with. That along side with intuition helps expand one's awareness to the familiar connection.
wow! this is very mind expanding stuff...i need to read some more on the matter id love to read your stuff string..and try and tap in to my inner kama..if i have one..
rache you seem to have experienced it well and thankyou for sharing it...fascinating!
alecia do you think the people we are drawn to are people who we have met in a previous life therefor we do feel instantly at home with them?..and could this explain why we feel instant dislike for someone because they have hurt us in a previous life?
yeah and our pets theres a bond with them too maybe they were human in a previous life a distant relative or friend come back to protect us..
Okay gyspy - so how many of us have known each other BEFORE? One of MY 'past life' memories has to do with gypsys and the Nazis....
Oh and btw, when is your birthday? Mine is May 17. I know yours is in May...as you are a Rooster and we are the same age.
no mine is june the nineteeth..gulp you know my past!!..
IBeing serious for once, I've often had very powerful feelings of deja vu about things I've said and situations I've been, but not very often about places and people.
I therefore think of it from another angle. Since I also have uncannily frequent thoughts and images of people who then promptly phone me or contact me, I think it's possible that I myself project thoughts, scenarios and actual conversations into the colelctive consciusness without actually realising it, and then pick them up later when the events actually occur. In the same way, I think my thoughts about other people are also picked up by those people, who then feel compelled to contact me.
This happens so often, I'm more than ever convinced of there being a collective consciousness that we can all somehow tap into, and since it is not governed by time, it could be we are inadvertently tapping into other peoples' past experiences which gives us these even stronger feelings of deja vu.
Whew! I'll go back to my drivel now..lol
Ahhh, cock a doodle do! So not in May - too bad, no May pole dancing!
Cool comment vallyp - I call the collective consciousness the big Internet in the Sky!
cockadoodledoo times three here!
oh yes val thats true..i have this weird thing happen where i see someone say pass on a bus and i think oh thats so and so..but then a few minutes later they would walk past me!..yeah and the phoning thing sometimes you know who is calling by the way the phone rings..thanks for that..string i dont know why im a rooster because i go to bed at the crack of dawn not get up..i do pole dancing but not may ones..lol..
oh its the real deal dale!!..wheres lurker gawn?..
lurking within the darkest recesses of my mind...
>>> alecia do you think the people we are drawn to are people who we have met in a previous life therefor we do feel instantly at home with them?..and could this explain why we feel instant dislike for someone because they have hurt us in a previous life?
I think its possible - it may be that we are drawn to people also for some life lesson or to aid in anothers... that's where the agreements come in. Probably best to not place too much meaning in the past but live in the present and creative moment of NOW. A good question to ask might be - What brought me to this moment in my life and what do I choose to do with it today, knowing that I am a creative being?
dale you will need a torch thats a dark place..
alecia when we are drawn to someone who damaged us at an early age does this mean we were drawn to that person because we had it easy in a past life so we must learn to suffer in this one?..i do agree about living for the now mind..and im always excited about the future even though it looks like a black hole i can still see light..im a born optimist..
Regression therapy btw can be effective in the right hands but also can be completely bypassed by learning to forgive 100%. Therapy works because you learn to get to the earliest memory you have about the issue... Then you can look at it from an expanded empathic consciousness and be able to forgive.
I'll give a plug here for my father who developed a process that helps people tap into past situations - in working with thousands of people he has experienced people go back into past lives to find the earliest time they experienced whatever the issue was. Its often the choice that was made at the time that causes the problem to replicate time and again.
Psychogenesis Process
I'll also look for a chapter about forgiveness in a favorite book of mine.
bloody hell!!..just had a look ..your dad looks so cool..ill have to set some special time aside to look at his site and i will...thankyou so much for that..x..
that was a lie about the pole dancing btw..i tried it once and split my difference..
when i say drawn to someone who damaged us at an early age i mean before they do it not after..dont want you thinking id be drawn to someone who i would knownly damage me..you just wouldnt..
I love delving deeply into these conundrums, even though my motto has always been KISS... keep it simple, stupid.
Live in the present, and the past and the future will reveal itself.
Complexity in Simplicity...
What?
I like chair dancing myself...
... but really there's no difference...
ROFL
I tried dancing with a chair once. The legs kept hitting the other furniture.....
Alecia - You've definitely got a handle on this. I will be checking out your dad's page tonight. Past life regression is something I've really always wanted to do - again, more from curiosity than from needing to deal with an issue.
I completely agree that when you forgive 100% that most 'issues' resolve themselves. There's no better (or more difficult) way to acheive peace.
Gypsy - I think you're talking about karma, which is also directly related to past lives. When someone wrongs you or you wrong someone else in a past life, something will occur in this life as 'payback'. The outcome of this 'payback' is not carved in stone. You are still free, as Alecia says, to make your own choice as to how you handle it.
I also believe you're right about animal/protective spirits, but in everything I've ever read about reincarnation, human incarnations are always the latest, meaning humans don't come back as animals.
It really is very simple - in a complex sort of way.....
I don't know Gypsy...
Personaly I don't think suffering is a pre-requisit to life - however what we learn from and do with the experience is the point of life and living.
I also like what Dale said...
Live in the present, and the past and the future will reveal itself.
Wow, I have a slightly different viewpoint. I do believe in living in the present; however, things do occur which impact us on a subconscious - even neurological level, things we can't 'forgive' because they have been patterned into us, and we are unaware of them. Our behavior begins to follow some odd path, and you may be living in the now but you are also 'drawn' to certain circumstances due to unconscious patterning. We attract or become drawn to certain situations and people, or deal with certain physical problems due to the impact of previous, now hidden, events.
I have memories of things that happened to me as a child, and which I was not, at the time, aware of the effect. I only found this out much much later, when I actively looked at (or was able to see the conditioning through meditation or repeating events - regression therapy would be similar) and pondered on why I was doing certain things or attracting certain behavior...It does revolve around what you believe and what neural pathways you have strengthened; however, some of it revolves around what you are made up of - genetically.
An example of this is self hatred or guilt. An event happens which you believe as a child is right - because as a child you are in the NOW. However, lets say the event was totally off base and horrid and in fact made you feel like shit or maybe it didn't - but as you grow older you see that the event was wrong. INSIDE you feel a huge lack of self worth due to having experienced this event in the NOW as a child. You keep meeting people who stimulate this event, due to an unconscious patterning of having had it happen over and over....your self esteem gets worse...etc. Forgiving, as you all mentioned helps many of us, but what happens if genetically your ancestors were't the forgiving type? We all know people and cultures who believe in revenge...is this inherited?
The interesting question, which is being bore up by current genetic research, is that events that happened to your ancestors may be causing your behavior now as they have been hardwired into your genes.
I feel this does actually reach backwards into past lives in a strange sense, in that you can stimulate your genes and memory within them by being in certain places where impactful events happened to your ancestors. I feel you can also 'remember' them during meditation. I also believe, like Alecia, that you can on some level overcome genetic dispositions which are not physically extreme by belief in self, love of self, etc.
There are people who can actually overcome inherited physical dispositions but it is rare.
I have found myself in a 'traveling' place during deep meditation where I seem to be able to transcend time, it is like a huge inner/outer network of spider webs that I travel on to different places and people that I think were in my ancestry. I find this funny, as I have genetic Native American in me and one huge archetype of some of the Natives is the Spider Woman. But it is a perfect description of what I experience. Now when you 'pull' a physical object to you represnting that time...well then we are talking physics and wormholes.
im very forgiving person...except when it comes to myself..i wear guilt like an uncomfortable pair of shoes..even though i know i havent done wrong ...if what you say is true rache i must have been a right bastard in a previous life..im all for moving foward but i cant get the shoes off...maybe they're genetically stuck to me..there was some slightness in the formative years but its the memories of the impressionable years say from 17 that has made an inpact on me and who i became..but its not all bad because for others im a good person its just myself im unkind to...and for that im thankful..
i have a lot of good people in my life..so i suppose thats what keeps us going, we all have bad experiences in life and life wouldn't be life without some suffering because we have to experience every emotion...to appreciate the good..its all about understanding and trust and of course love, because in the end no matter what...love will see you through..
here endeth todays sermon..lol..
It's those boots~!
yeah and the people i have met here i count myself very lucky to everyone..neil..dale..val..koos..
alecia..string..rache..mb..lace..and all of you..i think your all a god send to me more than you will ever know..x..
lol jackboots or vince boots string..
Do you really want to take Vince's boots off?
no...
About being a godsend? The feeling is mutual wee one...;-)
Those boots were made for....te tum te tum...lol
Good ole Nancy S...I bet she wanted to use those boots a time or two.
he he..dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum de de dum....
Sent from God, we are...
We were meant to be - all here - at this time - every one of us!
I'll second that!
ill third that..
I'll googolplex it!
amen
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